I knew this day would eventually come, the day that Charlie Lee finally admits that he desires confidential transactions for Litecoin. Admittedly I didn’t think it would take him this long. I mean after all, it’s only taken him 6 years to figure out (Litecoin launched in 2011) that Bitcoin and Litecoin are not fit to be used as money for purchases.
My words may sound harsh, but please understand, it’s not to gloat; it’s out of pure frustration. As a passionate follower of Bitcoin from early 2013, I recall the massive price explosion after the Cyprus bail-ins and the excitement of a money revolution. It sounds funny to say now but most people actually believed Bitcoin transactions were anonymous back then. So what does Bitcoin have to do with Litecoin?….
Now people who know me well, already know I instinctively facepalm whenever I hear the name Charlie Lee. It just so happened that I saw someone had mentioned in the Dashpay subreddit that Charlie Lee recently spoke about privacy on episode 126 of the Bitcoin podcast. I initially thought it was an elaborate joke or prank, however I felt compelled to listen, and I’m so thankful I did.
The podcast was pure gold dust. So many classic gems. You can listen to the podcast by clicking here. You will need to skip to the 41:15 minute mark to hear the following quotes I cite below:
“The one major thing missing from Bitcoin and Litecoin being good money is fungibility”
“So if I, lets say bought like 10 Bitcoins on an exchange and deposit it to my wallet and want to pay someone for coffee or for whatever right, I want pay someone back $5 for lunch. If I send him $5 from those 10 Bitcoins then he knows that I have 10 Bitcoins or 10 thousand dollars in my wallet and he can track where that money came from and where I spend it next”
“It seems kind of silly that if I pay him $5 all of a sudden he has access to all my information about how much money I have, where I’m storing it, how I’m using it, and he can track where that money came from and where I spend it next.”
“Its not about buying drugs, it’s about when you are using money, you don’t want to have to decide which one of the coins to spend due to it having some history”
“It’s like if you take out your wallet to pay someone and you have to decide which one of the $20 dollar bills to use because one of the $20 bills is tied to more private information you don’t want anyone to know about.”
Essentially Charlie Lee is confessing Bitcoin and Litecoin are not suitable to be used as money. It’s quite simple. The writing has been on the wall for a long time, but unfortunately, individuals like Charlie and Bitcoin Maximalists choose to stick their fingers in their ears and look the other way. Isn’t it very interesting that many of those same individuals arguing for SegWit don’t actually use Bitcoin for everyday transactions; they just hoard it. It looks like the penny has finally dropped now that BTC’s total market cap dominance is tanking. The straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak. Tech enthusiasts and blockchain followers have known about this issue for the longest time, and when pointing out the simple facts that it’s not fit to be used as money for this very reason they get heckled, shouted down and labelled a fudster. Even though, ironically, a lot of these people were Bitcoin’s first adopters. It seems very clear that speculators and profiteers (ahem “Tone Vays”) that arrived late to the party and now claim to be experts intentionally overlook the critical issues. Instead of confronting and resolving the issue, they choose to bury their head in the sand and insult those that speak the truth in order to suppress it.
It’s all very straight forward and easy to understand. Now you understand my frustration.
Satoshi Nakamoto’s main objective in his white paper was to create a p2p currency outside of the banking system, allowing people to become their own banks without having to rely on third-party privately-owned banks.
Bitcoin was meant to revolutionize and replace the banking system. While its intentions were noble, its faults are its outdated design.
It seems there is a bigger story behind Bitcoin losing total marketcap dominance than meets the eye. I would suggest that it appears people are becoming more informed, and this is a direct result of many individuals learning through a journey of discovery. People first find out about Bitcoin –> then experience the flaws first hand –> then realize it’s the design –> then move on to alternatives that have corrected the issues.
Simply put, if Bitcoin can’t replace your bank account, and is much more cumbersome to use, then what’s the point, right?
If Bitcoin can’t be used as money for everyday transactions, then what good is it for? Seriously? It just becomes a tool of speculation, a grand scale version game of musical chairs while people circle jerk and pump the price. Seems like people are betting their future based on hopium rather than using critical thought.
The truth is, people are holding Bitcoin, not spending it. When momentum gets behind an alternative that actually works and functions as money, it’s going to get very ugly!
Believe people, the flippening will happen, it’s only a matter of time. How am I so confident on this? Bitcoin has no workable governance, funding, and is reliant on third-party investors to survive. It’s self-imploding as you read this. It’s not that I dislike Bitcoin, I started my journey with Bitcoin, after all. It’s purely because Bitcoin in its current state is not the Bitcoin Satoshi envisioned and hoped for.
Put yourself in Satoshi’s shoes. If you had a million Bitcoin that’s not fit for purpose as everyday money and there are working alternatives with superior technical specifications and structure, you know you would diversify! I know I would. Follow the smart money, people!
These are only my personal thoughts and opinions after listening to the Charlie Lee podcast. Perhaps I’ve had too much coffee today. I just had to write it all down, express myself, as it was whirling around my head and beating like a drum. I’m sure to most of you reading, there is nothing I have said here that is new to you. However, this above-mentioned podcast perfectly crystallizes and reinforces my reasons why I moved from Bitcoin to Dash. The flippening is real, its like a mini awakening in the cryptosphere. It was always on the cards, it just required enough people to experience the faults and problems first hand in order to develop or seek new solutions.
Perhaps if the inner Bitcoin circle had listened 3 years ago to Evan Duffield’s concerns on privacy and his ideas for a solution, things might be different today. However, Bitcoin has remained largely unchanged since 2009, with no real development or innovation since its inception other than maintenance. Exactly the same scenario with Litecoin, it has just remained stagnant collecting dust after all this time. I’m afraid looking at the competition, Bitcoin is starting to look like a dinosaur. As a former Bitcoin holder and advocate I will always be grateful to it for paving the way forward. The only real question that remains now is how long will it be until it’s dethroned and relegated to a mere footnote in history books. Welcome to the world of disruptive technology and the free market. Comparing Bitcoin to Dash in terms of features and technical specs is like comparing the fax machine to email. In my best Indiana Jones impression: “It belongs in a museum!“.
Dash has just been laughed at hard by everyone at coinbase: https://youtu.be/LHPYNZ8i1cU?t=2049
Good luck selling your snakeoil 😉
I can understand the reasons why 1 Meg Greg would desperately try to put people off Dash. If my solution wasn’t working of course I would down play other solutions. However many Bitcoin pioneers and first adopters like Roger Verr and Charlie Shrem are using Dash. These are smart people. However this is just rhetoric rambling with no substance. Saying Lol and Greg trolling other Bitcoin Developers is not really any proof, it’s just childish antics that I certainly would not bet my house on. I don’t need to defend Dash to you, most of our community are former Bitcoiners including our founder. It’s people that use Bitcoin that are fed up of no innovation and development. It doesn’t work like they were told. You appear to missing the Elephant in the room. Bitcoin has problems and people like Greg are not addressing them which is why BTC dominance is falling. Bitcoins developers approach is to rearrange the deck chairs on the titanic not change direction. I’m also really sorry to disappoint but I think you should read this as Greg is a bit out of touch on his facts. I’m happy to explain how PrivateSend works if you’re interested. #justsaying https://cointelegraph.com/news/monero-transactions-history-can-be-revealed-and-exposed-research
Ya, privatesend would bever stand the test to real cryptogra
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Dash is winning 🙂 !!!
Disc: for some reason my posts kept getting deleted, so I try without the urls, just put ‘http://’ in front of them and they should work…
Disc2: now it said post was awaiting moderation, but so long… I tried again.
Hi,
as expected you immediately start with an ‘ad hominem’, this doesn’t bode well for further discussion, but anyway. Roger Ver has talked about many coins already, lots of them have proven to be failures… Why you would call Roger and Charlie smart, I really don’t know? Yes, they have proven to have made ‘some’ good investments, but that’s it. I’ll take the opinion of Greg Maxwell (who’s been into crypto far longer and far deeper than almost anyone) on the technicalities of a cryptocurrency above yours (a PR director for Dash/webmaster) anytime, anywhere (Maxwell invented CT, Maxwell discovered the antbleed bug, Maxwell knows the in and outs of crypto). I mean, Dash isn’t even peerreviewed, X11 isn’t peerreviewed, any cryptographer will tell you that complexity is the enemy of good cryptography. Why do you think everyone in that coinbase-room is laughing, everyone? Because everyone that has the least bit of technical or cryptographical knowledge knows that Dash is a flawed system, started off with an instamine, isn’t based on good cryptographic practice and is becoming more and more of a centralised system. I would never, ever trust my privacy with Dash when I really need it.
All you did here was throw a bunch of ad hominems, and then say: ‘privatesend works, cuz I say it works and here’s amanda b johnson (not a cryptographer but also paid by dash) parading around and doing some third-grade explanation’… Sorry, but this doesn’t hold any ‘scientific’ value, but I know you dash-people don’t care, living in your echo-chamber, parroting everything you are told by your dash-masters, making slick youtube marketing movies, doing everything to push your coin in the market (why do you think dash needed to PAY kraken 50k$ to be added while it adds other crypto’s for free?). Just as every bubble, this one also will burst…
Again, you are selling snake-oil, a false promise, a centralised payment-system mimicking a decentralised cryptocurrency… But I bet you don’t even realize that yourself. When people will realize that dash has nothing to offer above paypal, that it’s not more private, that it’s not faster etc, it will pop, and it will pop hard…
Anyway, the dash funding system is pretty wel vetted now, why don’t you make a proposal, take 50 – 100k$ and have dash peerreview by real well-vetted cryptographers. I’ve seen dash burn money on a failed lamassu-project and some sodamachine, why not spend it useful, and make yourself and the community sure that the dash-cryptography is sound as a rock instead of having marketingpeople without technical/cryptographical knowledge trying to convince gullible end-users?
And why, oh why on earth do you post an article about monero at the end? This has nothing to do with monero… The research-titles were sensationalist to say the least and the xmr-community has written a rebuttal: github.com/SamsungG…
You realize that this rebuttal is of a whole different ballgame than the drivel (“1 meg Greg”) that you just wrote. The things discussed in the research by Miller were also already discussed in the monero research labs (you know, where some actual cryptography is discussed) and mitigated: lab.getmonero.org/
Now the community even hired a cryptographer (you know, to do some actual cryptographic research): forum.getmonero.org…
So why you have to drag xmr in this discussion is totally beyond me… What is becoming more and more obvious is that you’re just another paid dash-marketing-fanboy with no real technical nor cryptographical nor monetary insight..
Hi,
as expected you immediately start with an ‘ad hominem’, this doesn’t bode well for further discussion, but anyway. Roger Ver has talked about many coins already, lots of them have proven to be failures… Why you would call Roger and Charlie smart, I really don’t know? Yes, they have proven to have made ‘some’ good investments, but that’s it. I’ll take the opinion of Greg Maxwell (who’s been into crypto far longer and far deeper than almost anyone) on the technicalities of a cryptocurrency above yours (a PR director for Dash/webmaster) anytime, anywhere (Maxwell invented CT, Maxwell discovered the antbleed bug, Maxwell knows the in and outs of crypto). I mean, Dash isn’t even peerreviewed, X11 isn’t peerreviewed, any cryptographer will tell you that complexity is the enemy of good cryptography. Why do you think everyone in that coinbase-room is laughing, everyone? Because everyone that has the least bit of technical or cryptographical knowledge knows that Dash is a flawed system, started off with an instamine, isn’t based on good cryptographic practice and is becoming more and more of a centralised system. I would never, ever trust my privacy with Dash when I really need it.
All you did here was throw a bunch of ad hominems, and then say: ‘privatesend works, cuz I say it works and here’s amanda b johnson (not a cryptographer but also paid by dash) parading around and doing some third-grade explanation’… Sorry, but this doesn’t hold any ‘scientific’ value, but I know you dash-people don’t care, living in your echo-chamber, parroting everything you are told by your dash-masters, making slick youtube marketing movies, doing everything to push your coin in the market (why do you think dash needed to PAY kraken 50k$ to be added while it adds other crypto’s for free?). Just as every bubble, this one also will burst…
Again, you are selling snake-oil, a false promise, a centralised payment-system mimicking a decentralised cryptocurrency… But I bet you don’t even realize that yourself. When people will realize that dash has nothing to offer above paypal, that it’s not more private, that it’s not faster etc, it will pop, and it will pop hard…
Anyway, the dash funding system is pretty wel vetted now, why don’t you make a proposal, take 50 – 100k$ and have dash peerreview by real well-vetted cryptographers. I’ve seen dash burn money on a failed lamassu-project and some sodamachine, why not spend it useful, and make yourself and the community sure that the dash-cryptography is sound as a rock?
Disc: for some reason my posts kept getting deleted, so I try without the urls, just put ‘http://’ in front of them and they should work…
Hi,
as expected you immediately start with an ‘ad hominem’, this doesn’t bode well for further discussion, but anyway. Roger Ver has talked about many coins already, lots of them have proven to be failures… Why you would call Roger and Charlie smart, I really don’t know? Yes, they have proven to have made ‘some’ good investments, but that’s it. I’ll take the opinion of Greg Maxwell (who’s been into crypto far longer and far deeper than almost anyone) on the technicalities of a cryptocurrency above yours (a PR director for Dash/webmaster) anytime, anywhere (Maxwell invented CT, Maxwell discovered the antbleed bug, Maxwell knows the in and outs of crypto). I mean, Dash isn’t even peerreviewed, X11 isn’t peerreviewed, any cryptographer will tell you that complexity is the enemy of good cryptography. Why do you think everyone in that coinbase-room is laughing, everyone? Because everyone that has the least bit of technical or cryptographical knowledge knows that Dash is a flawed system, started off with an instamine, isn’t based on good cryptographic practice and is becoming more and more of a centralised system. I would never, ever trust my privacy with Dash when I really need it.
All you did here was throw a bunch of ad hominems, and then say: ‘privatesend works, cuz I say it works and here’s amanda b johnson (not a cryptographer but also paid by dash) parading around and doing some third-grade explanation’… Sorry, but this doesn’t hold any ‘scientific’ value, but I know you dash-people don’t care, living in your echo-chamber, parroting everything you are told by your dash-masters, making slick youtube marketing movies, doing everything to push your coin in the market (why do you think dash needed to PAY kraken 50k$ to be added while it adds other crypto’s for free?). Just as every bubble, this one also will burst…
Again, you are selling snake-oil, a false promise, a centralised payment-system mimicking a decentralised cryptocurrency… But I bet you don’t even realize that yourself. When people will realize that dash has nothing to offer above paypal, that it’s not more private, that it’s not faster etc, it will pop, and it will pop hard…
Anyway, the dash funding system is pretty wel vetted now, why don’t you make a proposal, take 50 – 100k$ and have dash peerreview by real well-vetted cryptographers. I’ve seen dash burn money on a failed lamassu-project and some sodamachine, why not spend it useful, and make yourself and the community sure that the dash-cryptography is sound as a rock instead of having marketingpeople without technical/cryptographical knowledge trying to convince gullible end-users?
And why, oh why on earth do you post an article about monero at the end? This has nothing to do with monero… The research-titles were sensationalist to say the least and the xmr-community has written a rebuttal: github.com/SamsungG…
You realize that this rebuttal is of a whole different ballgame than the drivel (“1 meg Greg”) that you just wrote. The things discussed in the research by Miller were also already discussed in the monero research labs (you know, where some actual cryptography is discussed) and mitigated: lab.getmonero.org/
Now the community even hired a cryptographer (you know, to do some actual cryptographic research): forum.getmonero.org…
So why you have to drag xmr in this discussion is totally beyond me… What is becoming more and more obvious is that you’re just another paid dash-marketing-fanboy with no real technical nor cryptographical nor monetary insight…
What do you think you need to do when you start building the fasted X11 ASIC ? you look for exploits. There is a major incentive to find holes in it. So there is your per review
Mean while you forget that is an ASIC BOOST in bitcoin. Sounds like that bitcoin did not receive enough peer reviews either ;).
As for disproving dash it’s private send, if they could have they would have done so allready it would have simply destroyed dash it’s current marketcap, and gave them a super bumb up.
You know what they did do ? they did acttack BU, because they did found a flaw in it.
Your simply spreading fud dude, but with a name like that what else can some one expect
LOL, you call that a peerreview, a hardwaremanufacturer who looks at the code? Dude, you’re so off… Dash hasn’t had the proper peerreview cuz no one in the cryptographic world takes it seriously enough to waste resources on…
Again, why did dash have to PAY kraken to get listed you think?
I did not forget ASIC BOOST, I talked about antbleed… Do you even realize that Maxwell discovered that?
You however forget that Maxwell INVENTED coinjoin, privatesend is based on coinjoin? Do you even realize what you’re saying?
Proposal still stands, hire a team of cryptographers, let them peerreview dash and finish Maxwell and his ‘trolling’ and ‘FUD’ forever… until then dash will never be taken serious by serious people…
Again, why did dash have to PAY kraken to get listed you think?
Because Kraken wanted to (peer)review the code 😉
And they add other coins for free why exactly?
Why don’t you go on now and make that proposal and let ‘the community’ vote on it? Seems like a nice proposal to me, a peerreview, if it works out well, proves the cryptography behind dash is solid as a rock… Never again will you have to endure this endless ‘trolling’ and ‘fud-spreading’… Money enough in the treasury…
but I think I know the answer: some handwaving, some marketingvideos, some slick talking and on we go…
Disclaimer: for some reason my posts kept getting deleted, so I try without the urls, just put ‘http://’ in front of them and they should work…
Hi,
as expected you immediately start with an ‘ad hominem’, this doesn’t bode well for further discussion, but anyway. Roger Ver has talked about many coins already, lots of them have proven to be failures… Why you would call Roger and Charlie smart, I really don’t know? Yes, they have proven to have made ‘some’ good investments, but that’s it. I’ll take the opinion of Greg Maxwell (who’s been into crypto far longer and far deeper than almost anyone) on the technicalities of a cryptocurrency above yours (a PR director for Dash/webmaster) anytime, anywhere (Maxwell invented CT, Maxwell discovered the antbleed bug, Maxwell knows the in and outs of crypto). I mean, Dash isn’t even peerreviewed, X11 isn’t peerreviewed, any cryptographer will tell you that complexity is the enemy of good cryptography. Why do you think everyone in that coinbase-room is laughing, everyone? Because everyone that has the least bit of technical or cryptographical knowledge knows that Dash is a flawed system, started off with an instamine, isn’t based on good cryptographic practice and is becoming more and more of a centralised system. I would never, ever trust my privacy with Dash when I really need it.
All you did here was throw a bunch of ad hominems, and then say: ‘privatesend works, cuz I say it works and here’s amanda b johnson (not a cryptographer but also paid by dash) parading around and doing some third-grade explanation’… Sorry, but this doesn’t hold any ‘scientific’ value, but I know you dash-people don’t care, living in your echo-chamber, parroting everything you are told by your dash-masters, making slick youtube marketing movies, doing everything to push your coin in the market (why do you think dash needed to PAY kraken 50k$ to be added while it adds other crypto’s for free?). Just as every bubble, this one also will burst…
Again, you are selling snake-oil, a false promise, a centralised payment-system mimicking a decentralised cryptocurrency… But I bet you don’t even realize that yourself. When people will realize that dash has nothing to offer above paypal, that it’s not more private, that it’s not faster etc, it will pop, and it will pop hard…
Anyway, the dash funding system is pretty wel vetted now, why don’t you make a proposal, take 50 – 100k$ and have dash peerreview by real well-vetted cryptographers. I’ve seen dash burn money on a failed lamassu-project and some sodamachine, why not spend it useful, and make yourself and the community sure that the dash-cryptography is sound as a rock instead of having marketingpeople without technical/cryptographical knowledge trying to convince gullible end-users?
And why, oh why on earth do you post an article about monero at the end? This has nothing to do with monero… The research-titles were sensationalist to say the least and the xmr-community has written a rebuttal: github.com/SamsungG…
You realize that this rebuttal is of a whole different ballgame than the drivel (“1 meg Greg”) that you just wrote. The things discussed in the research by Miller were also already discussed in the monero research labs (you know, where some actual cryptography is discussed) and mitigated: lab.getmonero.org/
Now the community even hired a cryptographer (you know, to do some actual cryptographic research): forum.getmonero.org…
So why you have to drag xmr in this discussion is totally beyond me… What is becoming more and more obvious is that you’re just another paid dash-marketing-fanboy with no real technical nor cryptographical nor monetary insight…
Disc: for some reason my posts kept getting deleted, so I try without the urls, just put ‘http://’ in front of them and they should work…
Hi,
as expected you immediately start with an ‘ad hominem’, this doesn’t bode well for further discussion, but anyway. Roger Ver has talked about many coins already, lots of them have proven to be failures… Why you would call Roger and Charlie smart, I really don’t know? Yes, they have proven to have made ‘some’ good investments, but that’s it. I’ll take the opinion of Greg Maxwell (who’s been into crypto far longer and far deeper than almost anyone) on the technicalities of a cryptocurrency above yours (a PR director for Dash/webmaster) anytime, anywhere (Maxwell invented CT, Maxwell discovered the antbleed bug, Maxwell knows the in and outs of crypto). I mean, Dash isn’t even peerreviewed, X11 isn’t peerreviewed, any cryptographer will tell you that complexity is the enemy of good cryptography. Why do you think everyone in that coinbase-room is laughing, everyone? Because everyone that has the least bit of technical or cryptographical knowledge knows that Dash is a flawed system, started off with an instamine, isn’t based on good cryptographic practice and is becoming more and more of a centralised system. I would never, ever trust my privacy with Dash when I really need it.
All you did here was throw a bunch of ad hominems, and then say: ‘privatesend works, cuz I say it works and here’s amanda b johnson (not a cryptographer but also paid by dash) parading around and doing some third-grade explanation’… Sorry, but this doesn’t hold any ‘scientific’ value, but I know you dash-people don’t care, living in your echo-chamber, parroting everything you are told by your dash-masters, making slick youtube marketing movies, doing everything to push your coin in the market (why do you think dash needed to PAY kraken 50k$ to be added while it adds other crypto’s for free?). Just as every bubble, this one also will burst…
Again, you are selling snake-oil, a false promise, a centralised payment-system mimicking a decentralised cryptocurrency… But I bet you don’t even realize that yourself. When people will realize that dash has nothing to offer above paypal, that it’s not more private, that it’s not faster etc, it will pop, and it will pop hard…
Anyway, the dash funding system is pretty wel vetted now, why don’t you make a proposal, take 50 – 100k$ and have dash peerreview by real well-vetted cryptographers. I’ve seen dash burn money on a failed lamassu-project and some sodamachine, why not spend it useful, and make yourself and the community sure that the dash-cryptography is sound as a rock instead of having marketingpeople without technical/cryptographical knowledge trying to convince gullible end-users?
And why, oh why on earth do you post an article about monero at the end? This has nothing to do with monero… The research-titles were sensationalist to say the least and the xmr-community has written a rebuttal: github.com/SamsungG…
You realize that this rebuttal is of a whole different ballgame than the drivel (“1 meg Greg”) that you just wrote. The things discussed in the research by Miller were also already discussed in the monero research labs (you know, where some actual cryptography is discussed) and mitigated: lab.getmonero.org/
Now the community even hired a cryptographer (you know, to do some actual cryptographic research): forum.getmonero.org…
So why you have to drag xmr in this discussion is totally beyond me… What is becoming more and more obvious is that you’re just another paid dash-marketing-fanboy with no real technical nor cryptographical nor monetary insight…
Disc: for some reason my posts kept getting deleted, so I try without the urls, just put ‘http://’ in front of them and they should work…
Hi,
as expected you immediately start with an ‘ad hominem’, this doesn’t bode well for further discussion, but anyway. Roger Ver has talked about many coins already, lots of them have proven to be failures… Why you would call Roger and Charlie smart, I really don’t know? Yes, they have proven to have made ‘some’ good investments, but that’s it. I’ll take the opinion of Greg Maxwell (who’s been into crypto far longer and far deeper than almost anyone) on the technicalities of a cryptocurrency above yours (a PR director for Dash/webmaster) anytime, anywhere (Maxwell invented CT, Maxwell discovered the antbleed bug, Maxwell knows the in and outs of crypto). I mean, Dash isn’t even peerreviewed, X11 isn’t peerreviewed, any cryptographer will tell you that complexity is the enemy of good cryptography. Why do you think everyone in that coinbase-room is laughing, everyone? Because everyone that has the least bit of technical or cryptographical knowledge knows that Dash is a flawed system, started off with an instamine, isn’t based on good cryptographic practice and is becoming more and more of a centralised system. I would never, ever trust my privacy with Dash when I really need it.
All you did here was throw a bunch of ad hominems, and then say: ‘privatesend works, cuz I say it works and here’s amanda b johnson (not a cryptographer but also paid by dash) parading around and doing some third-grade explanation’… Sorry, but this doesn’t hold any ‘scientific’ value, but I know you dash-people don’t care, living in your echo-chamber, parroting everything you are told by your dash-masters, making slick youtube marketing movies, doing everything to push your coin in the market (why do you think dash needed to PAY kraken 50k$ to be added while it adds other crypto’s for free?). Just as every bubble, this one also will burst…
Again, you are selling snake-oil, a false promise, a centralised payment-system mimicking a decentralised cryptocurrency… But I bet you don’t even realize that yourself. When people will realize that dash has nothing to offer above paypal, that it’s not more private, that it’s not faster etc, it will pop, and it will pop hard…
Anyway, the dash funding system is pretty wel vetted now, why don’t you make a proposal, take 50 – 100k$ and have dash peerreview by real well-vetted cryptographers. I’ve seen dash burn money on a failed lamassu-project and some sodamachine, why not spend it useful, and make yourself and the community sure that the dash-cryptography is sound as a rock instead of having marketingpeople without technical/cryptographical knowledge trying to convince gullible end-users?
And why, oh why on earth do you post an article about monero at the end? This has nothing to do with monero… The research-titles were sensationalist to say the least and the xmr-community has written a rebuttal: github.com/SamsungG…
You realize that this rebuttal is of a whole different ballgame than the drivel (“1 meg Greg”) that you just wrote. The things discussed in the research by Miller were also already discussed in the monero research labs (you know, where some actual cryptography is discussed) and mitigated: lab.getmonero.org/
Now the community even hired a cryptographer (you know, to do some actual cryptographic research): forum.getmonero.org…
So why you have to drag xmr in this discussion is totally beyond me… What is becoming more and more obvious is that you’re just another paid dash-marketing-fanboy with no real technical nor cryptographical nor monetary insight…
This is how Dash PrivateSend works if you are genuinely interested….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgCId3wJc5Y
Icey is that you?
greg maxwell, coblee, icey, fluffyfatty… toxic trolls
Mark,
I’ll try to explain, as cogently as possible, why this post disappoints me so much.
It feels like you and I are approaching crypto from two very different perspectives. My hope is that cryptocurrencies serve to enhance human freedom. I don’t care if one currency is more convenient, or more valuable, or more private than another, as long as people can freely select a currency that meets their individual preferences. What brand names eventually represent the most popular suites of desirable technologies and markets is completely irrelevant to me.
Is DASH more useful than Bitcoin? Cool. I’ll use Dash.
Is Bitcoin a better store of value than Dash? Cool. I’ll store value in Bitcoin.
Is Ripple a better short-term investment than Bitcoin? Cool. I’ll invest in Ripple.
Is Ethereum a more exciting development opportunity than Ripple? Cool. I’ll develop for Ether.
Is Dogecoin a more fun ecosystem than Ripple? Cool. I’ll transact in the Ripple ecosystem.
It blows my mind that people become so attached to brand names and personalities that they think it’s important to win some kind of public relations battle for eventual dominance. I get that you have economic interests aligned with people’s use of Dash (me too), and I’d guess that you have some degree of emotional attachment to the success of the Dash project/DAO (me too). But this is kind of how this article reads to me:
“Anyone trying to improve shovel technology is stupid and out of touch, and Shovel-Lover Greg only wants you to use shovels for his own, selfish interest. Hammers are the superior technology, and will eventually win! Go hammers! Go hammers! Fuck shovels!”
I guess I don’t understand what is so important here that it justifies denigrating conversation to the level of an ideological pissing contest. Particularly given the costs to rationality and objectivity that seem to be intrinsic to the assumption of an ideology.
That aside, on a purely pragmatic note: if your goal is to add value to the Dash ecosystem, you may care that articles like this, explaining how Bitcoin is moribund, how “1 Meg Greg” is out of touch, and how Charlie Lee makes you facepalm, damage my opinion of Dash more than any technical proposition or detractor ever has.
I wish you all the best, and hope both you, and Dash, succeed brilliantly.
-Zachary
-Zachary
I agree with you but the problem is not everybody play’s nice, just look at he video here just below, Greg Maxwell is trolling DASH at a pro bitcoin meetup. He one of does people that should lead by example yet what he does is force other players their hand.
AKA, if someone shows up with a gun at a knife fight you need to big a gun to.
All I can say is look carefully how started it, and how this things are countered.
This is a good way to agrument against trolls such as Charlie Lee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzqGf_ak_2I
Lolz, same tactic different day… being critical of dash = trolling… My proposal below still stands: take 50 – 100k$ from that dash-funding system and have real cryptographers refute Maxwell’s criticism for once and for all… A well-vetted academic paper will have a lot more merit as argument than “he’s trolling”…
It already has been audited and peer reviewed by Security and privacy researcher Kristov Atlas https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/reply-to-kristovs-paper.2325/
Ah yeah, that one, well there’s a problem… Kristov Atlas isn’t a cryptographer… Here’s what another cryptographer (Andrew Poelstra) has to say about Dash privacy: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/are-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies Last paragraph… be sure to read some of the comments too 😉
That sounds great, are you willing to put up the money? Because Dash’s security is already very well-reviewed and robust, well enough to convince its users. You’re the one who isn’t convinced. So put up the money.
Every self-respecting cryptoproject should fund peerreview for itself… Off course I’m not convinced by hand-waving…
This may be six months old, but comments are still open, so here goes – then put your money where your mouth is, or shut your mouth! Put up or shut up.
Dear Zachary, thank you for taking the time and effort to comment. This was clearly an opinion editorial piece on my reaction to Charlie Lee’s comments made in Bitcoin podcast. The criticism on Bitcoins and Litecoins shortcomings is directly from Charlie himself, hence the post title “Charlie Is Right”. If my reaction to his comments offend or upset you I suggest you go for the ball and not the player. Essentially I’m agreeing with Charlie’s statements and expressing my frustration at what took him so long to figure out something so fundamentally basic. It’s only my personal opinion so please don’t lose any sleep over it. Thanks for visiting and supporting Dash Force News. Don’t be a stranger.
Perfectly understandable. What I’d like the readership to understand is that, in order to find pure truth, you must approach a subject from a variety of different angles. Peer-reviewed studies, journalistic pieces, side-by-side comparisons, public debates, all those have a key place in building understanding of the issue. So do opinion pieces, including the more strongly opinionated ones.
Remember: censorship is the death of truth. When trying to produce a work of airtight fact, we censor ourselves from portions of our knowledge and beliefs that may be more difficult to back up beyond criticism. I thought it was perfectly applicable to publish an uncensored rant by Mark, so I encouraged it so long as it’s not presented as fact, but opinion. It’s a “take it or leave it” type thing, but I feel it really rounds out our content offerings, and advances discussion.
well. if you believe that censorship is the death of truth, then why keep deleting my comment?
Hi,
as expected you immediately start with an ‘ad hominem’, this doesn’t bode well for further discussion, but anyway. Roger Ver has talked about many coins already, lots of them have proven to be failures… Why you would call Roger and Charlie smart, I really don’t know? Yes, they have proven to have made ‘some’ good investments, but that’s it. I’ll take the opinion of Greg Maxwell (who’s been into crypto far longer and far deeper than almost anyone) on the technicalities of a cryptocurrency above yours (a PR director for Dash/webmaster) anytime, anywhere (Maxwell invented CT, Maxwell discovered the antbleed bug, Maxwell knows the in and outs of crypto). I mean, Dash isn’t even peerreviewed, X11 isn’t peerreviewed, any cryptographer will tell you that complexity is the enemy of good cryptography. Why do you think everyone in that coinbase-room is laughing, everyone? Because everyone that has the least bit of technical or cryptographical knowledge knows that Dash is a flawed system, started off with an instamine, isn’t based on good cryptographic practice and is becoming more and more of a centralised system. I would never, ever trust my privacy with Dash when I really need it.
All you did here was throw a bunch of ad hominems, and then say: ‘privatesend works, cuz I say it works and here’s amanda b johnson (not a cryptographer but also paid by dash) parading around and doing some third-grade explanation’… Sorry, but this doesn’t hold any ‘scientific’ value, but I know you dash-people don’t care, living in your echo-chamber, parroting everything you are told by your dash-masters, making slick youtube marketing movies, doing everything to push your coin in the market (why do you think dash needed to PAY kraken 50k$ to be added while it adds other crypto’s for free?). Just as every bubble, this one also will burst…
Again, you are selling snake-oil, a false promise, a centralised payment-system mimicking a decentralised cryptocurrency… But I bet you don’t even realize that yourself. When people will realize that dash has nothing to offer above paypal, that it’s not more private, that it’s not faster etc, it will pop, and it will pop hard…
Anyway, the dash funding system is pretty wel vetted now, why don’t you make a proposal, take 50 – 100k$ and have dash peerreview by real well-vetted cryptographers. I’ve seen dash burn money on a failed lamassu-project and some sodamachine, why not spend it useful, and make yourself and the community sure that the dash-cryptography is sound as a rock instead of having marketingpeople without technical/cryptographical knowledge trying to convince gullible end-users?
And why, oh why on earth do you post an article about monero at the end? This has nothing to do with monero… The research-titles were sensationalist to say the least and the xmr-community has written a rebuttal: github.com/SamsungG…
You realize that this rebuttal is of a whole different ballgame than the drivel (“1 meg Greg”) that you just wrote. The things discussed in the research by Miller were also already discussed in the monero research labs (you know, where some actual cryptography is discussed) and mitigated: lab.getmonero.org/
Now the community even hired a cryptographer (you know, to do some actual cryptographic research): forum.getmonero.org…
So why you have to drag xmr in this discussion is totally beyond me… What is becoming more and more obvious is that you’re just another paid dash-marketing-fanboy with no real technical nor cryptographical nor monetary insight…
If censhorship is the death of truth you should stop deleting my answer to Marc…
In terms of online journalism (for a product) Slightly hardcore 😉 biting; personal, but informed! – type of journalist people will end up following. Simply good work
Thanks @Biltong08:disqus much appreciated 🙂
Definitely not journalism here, just an opinionated, over-caffeinated rant. But those are the best kind. Just as art can communicate truth, so can raw passion. Which is art of its own form.